Highland Fleet Lute · Just the job. · 2019-09-01T18:09:19Z
Fester · 2019-09-02T04:57:50Z not sure if it's Harrison or Elan, but one of you says "like", like, a lot
not sure if it's Harrison or Elan, but one of you says "like", like, a lot
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T07:16:00Z I enjoyed it. It was a bit short though. Maybe a Pt II is in order. A lot of Lethbridge's books are super out-of-print. £72.60 for a new copy of "The Power of The Pendulum". Bloody hell. Might see if I can get hold of a raggedy copy.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T07:16:00Z
I enjoyed it. It was a bit short though. Maybe a Pt II is in order. A lot of Lethbridge's books are super out-of-print. £72.60 for a new copy of "The Power of The Pendulum". Bloody hell. Might see if I can get hold of a raggedy copy.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T09:54:28Z Highland Fleet Lute Even Watkins don't have any of his stuff... "Unfortunately The Power of The Pendulum is currently out of print, along with most of Lethbridge's other books, so we can't source any new copies. Our buyer says we do occasionally have it in our second hand section, but hasn't seen one this year."
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T09:54:28Z
Highland Fleet Lute Even Watkins don't have any of his stuff... "Unfortunately The Power of The Pendulum is currently out of print, along with most of Lethbridge's other books, so we can't source any new copies. Our buyer says we do occasionally have it in our second hand section, but hasn't seen one this year."
JenniferB · 2019-09-02T11:50:35Z Highland Fleet Lute FYI: [ Link ]
JenniferB · 2019-09-02T11:50:35Z
Highland Fleet Lute FYI: [ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T13:26:12Z JenniferB Thanks for that. Just back from The Charing X Road. Didn't turn anything up, although a visit to Atlantis Bookshop (Museum Street. Been there since 1920) yielded a copy of 'The Essential T.C. Lethbridge'.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T13:26:12Z
JenniferB Thanks for that. Just back from The Charing X Road. Didn't turn anything up, although a visit to Atlantis Bookshop (Museum Street. Been there since 1920) yielded a copy of 'The Essential T.C. Lethbridge'.
Joan · 2019-09-02T15:20:22Z Highland Fleet Lute Try this from Biblio, there prices seem reasonable [ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute Try this from Biblio, there prices seem reasonable [ Link ]
Wardy · 2019-09-02T07:38:11Z In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" Getting hidden knowledge, that gives you power, or makes you feel special, that is going to appeal to the worst aspects of our nature. I feel the other question that needs to be asked is "Where does the knowledge come from?" It is not from our Superego or subconscious, but from spiritual entities that want to deceive and entrap. I used a pendulum for some time in my New Age phase and for example even got good diagnostic information from X rays in my work as a vet. I got more and more drawn in, in the end I was asking the pendulum about life decisions. That is when the demons have sucked you in deep. Stay away from all kinds of divination.
In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" Getting hidden knowledge, that gives you power, or makes you feel special, that is going to appeal to the worst aspects of our nature. I feel the other question that needs to be asked is "Where does the knowledge come from?" It is not from our Superego or subconscious, but from spiritual entities that want to deceive and entrap. I used a pendulum for some time in my New Age phase and for example even got good diagnostic information from X rays in my work as a vet. I got more and more drawn in, in the end I was asking the pendulum about life decisions. That is when the demons have sucked you in deep. Stay away from all kinds of divination.
codis · 2019-09-02T08:13:07Z Wardy In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" According what moral standards ? A revealing comment.
Wardy In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" According what moral standards ? A revealing comment.
In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?"
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T09:38:05Z Wardy I'd suggest that the "spiritual" entity that has deceived and entrapped people the most is Yahweh The concept of christian (?) morals is a bit obscure if one doesn't believe in a benevolent cloud dwelling old man ... or if one worships a jealous, vengeful, murderous entity
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T09:38:05Z
Wardy I'd suggest that the "spiritual" entity that has deceived and entrapped people the most is Yahweh The concept of christian (?) morals is a bit obscure if one doesn't believe in a benevolent cloud dwelling old man ... or if one worships a jealous, vengeful, murderous entity
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T09:50:08Z Wardy I see Wardy's point. But the same could be said about meditation. The same could also be said of Police detective work. A decent cop picks up 'psychometric talents', which are usually called 'instincts', and a lot of that is what you might call proper 'out there' gear. Ultimately, who's driving? This is why 'self-consciousness', 'self-remembering', 'ego', 'I am', 'I am responsible' is key, and why the whole Caitlin Johnstone "ego-death, you-don't-exist" flannel is worthless dangerous garbage.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T09:50:08Z
Wardy I see Wardy's point. But the same could be said about meditation. The same could also be said of Police detective work. A decent cop picks up 'psychometric talents', which are usually called 'instincts', and a lot of that is what you might call proper 'out there' gear. Ultimately, who's driving? This is why 'self-consciousness', 'self-remembering', 'ego', 'I am', 'I am responsible' is key, and why the whole Caitlin Johnstone "ego-death, you-don't-exist" flannel is worthless dangerous garbage.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:06:25Z Highland Fleet Lute the driver should do the driving ... the mind is the steering wheel, the body is the vehicle
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:06:25Z
Highland Fleet Lute the driver should do the driving ... the mind is the steering wheel, the body is the vehicle
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T10:21:31Z "Stay away from all kinds of divination" "Tune-smith-ing" can be seen as a form of divination, if you take at face value Paul McCartney's comments about how he composed "Yesterday". If you ask me, in the modern world, there's not enough of that kind of thing about.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T10:21:31Z
"Stay away from all kinds of divination" "Tune-smith-ing" can be seen as a form of divination, if you take at face value Paul McCartney's comments about how he composed "Yesterday". If you ask me, in the modern world, there's not enough of that kind of thing about.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:25:38Z What about weather forecasting?...and I don't mean the climate alarmists/propaganda peddlers/useful idiots etc.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:25:38Z
What about weather forecasting?...and I don't mean the climate alarmists/propaganda peddlers/useful idiots etc.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:33:08Z the driver should do the driving ... the mind is the steering wheel, the body is the vehicle Gurdjieff says it better. He again used the Eastern comparison of man with a carriage, horse, driver, and master, and drew the diagram with one addition that was not there before. “Man is a complex organization,” he said, “consisting of four parts which may be connected or unconnected, or badly connected. The carriage is connected with the horse by shafts, the horse is connected with the driver by reins, and the driver is connected with the master by the master’s voice. But the driver must hear and understand the master’s voice. He must know how to drive and the horse must be trained to obey the reins. As to the relation between the horse and the carriage, the horse must be properly harnessed. Thus there are three connections between the four sections of this complex organization. If something is lacking in one of the connections, the organization cannot act as a single whole. The connections are therefore no less important than the actual ‘bodies.’ Working on himself man works simultaneously on the ‘bodies’ and on the ‘connections.’ But it is different work. “Work on oneself must begin with the driver. The driver is the mind . In order to be able to hear the master’s voice, the driver, first of all, must not be asleep , that is, he must wake up. Then it may prove that the master speaks a language that the driver does not understand. The driver must learn this language. When he has learned it, he will understand the master. But concurrently with this he must learn to drive the horse, to harness it to the carriage, to feed it and groom it, and to keep the cariage in order--because what would be the use of his understanding the master if he is not in a position to do anything? The master tells him to go yonder. But he is unable to move, because the horse has not been fed, it is not harnessed, and he does not know where the reins are. The horse is our emotions. The carriage is the body. The mind must learn to control the emotions. The emotions always pull the body after them. This is the order in which work on oneself must proceed. But observe again that work on the ‘bodies,’ that is, on the driver, the horse, and the carriage, is one thing. And work on the ‘connections’--that is, on the ‘driver’s understanding,’ which unites him to the master; on the ‘reins,’ which connect him with the horse; and on the ‘shafts’ and the ‘harness,’ which connect the horse with the carriage--is quite another thing.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:33:08Z
the driver should do the driving ... the mind is the steering wheel, the body is the vehicle Gurdjieff says it better. He again used the Eastern comparison of man with a carriage, horse, driver, and master, and drew the diagram with one addition that was not there before. “Man is a complex organization,” he said, “consisting of four parts which may be connected or unconnected, or badly connected. The carriage is connected with the horse by shafts, the horse is connected with the driver by reins, and the driver is connected with the master by the master’s voice. But the driver must hear and understand the master’s voice. He must know how to drive and the horse must be trained to obey the reins. As to the relation between the horse and the carriage, the horse must be properly harnessed. Thus there are three connections between the four sections of this complex organization. If something is lacking in one of the connections, the organization cannot act as a single whole. The connections are therefore no less important than the actual ‘bodies.’ Working on himself man works simultaneously on the ‘bodies’ and on the ‘connections.’ But it is different work. “Work on oneself must begin with the driver. The driver is the mind . In order to be able to hear the master’s voice, the driver, first of all, must not be asleep , that is, he must wake up. Then it may prove that the master speaks a language that the driver does not understand. The driver must learn this language. When he has learned it, he will understand the master. But concurrently with this he must learn to drive the horse, to harness it to the carriage, to feed it and groom it, and to keep the cariage in order--because what would be the use of his understanding the master if he is not in a position to do anything? The master tells him to go yonder. But he is unable to move, because the horse has not been fed, it is not harnessed, and he does not know where the reins are. The horse is our emotions. The carriage is the body. The mind must learn to control the emotions. The emotions always pull the body after them. This is the order in which work on oneself must proceed. But observe again that work on the ‘bodies,’ that is, on the driver, the horse, and the carriage, is one thing. And work on the ‘connections’--that is, on the ‘driver’s understanding,’ which unites him to the master; on the ‘reins,’ which connect him with the horse; and on the ‘shafts’ and the ‘harness,’ which connect the horse with the carriage--is quite another thing.
the driver should do the driving ... the mind is the steering wheel, the body is the vehicle
He again used the Eastern comparison of man with a carriage, horse, driver, and master, and drew the diagram with one addition that was not there before. “Man is a complex organization,” he said, “consisting of four parts which may be connected or unconnected, or badly connected. The carriage is connected with the horse by shafts, the horse is connected with the driver by reins, and the driver is connected with the master by the master’s voice. But the driver must hear and understand the master’s voice. He must know how to drive and the horse must be trained to obey the reins. As to the relation between the horse and the carriage, the horse must be properly harnessed. Thus there are three connections between the four sections of this complex organization. If something is lacking in one of the connections, the organization cannot act as a single whole. The connections are therefore no less important than the actual ‘bodies.’ Working on himself man works simultaneously on the ‘bodies’ and on the ‘connections.’ But it is different work. “Work on oneself must begin with the driver. The driver is the mind . In order to be able to hear the master’s voice, the driver, first of all, must not be asleep , that is, he must wake up. Then it may prove that the master speaks a language that the driver does not understand. The driver must learn this language. When he has learned it, he will understand the master. But concurrently with this he must learn to drive the horse, to harness it to the carriage, to feed it and groom it, and to keep the cariage in order--because what would be the use of his understanding the master if he is not in a position to do anything? The master tells him to go yonder. But he is unable to move, because the horse has not been fed, it is not harnessed, and he does not know where the reins are. The horse is our emotions. The carriage is the body. The mind must learn to control the emotions. The emotions always pull the body after them. This is the order in which work on oneself must proceed. But observe again that work on the ‘bodies,’ that is, on the driver, the horse, and the carriage, is one thing. And work on the ‘connections’--that is, on the ‘driver’s understanding,’ which unites him to the master; on the ‘reins,’ which connect him with the horse; and on the ‘shafts’ and the ‘harness,’ which connect the horse with the carriage--is quite another thing.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:48:46Z graeme15b I was thinking horse / cart / reigns but using updated technology ... the issue is that the modern / western world does not believe that any training is needed - for either the bodies or the connections
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:48:46Z
graeme15b I was thinking horse / cart / reigns but using updated technology ... the issue is that the modern / western world does not believe that any training is needed - for either the bodies or the connections
Wardy · 2019-09-02T11:20:00Z I mentioned the motivation behind divination as to getting personal power and benefit, very selfish and corrupting, by most people's standards would you disagree?
I mentioned the motivation behind divination as to getting personal power and benefit, very selfish and corrupting, by most people's standards would you disagree?
Wardy · 2019-09-02T11:26:59Z I too used to think Christians were dangerously deluded, because I hated God myself. He gradually drew me to Him by His mercy and goodness and won my heart. Now I no longer have to fear vengeance, He is my benevolent Father.
I too used to think Christians were dangerously deluded, because I hated God myself. He gradually drew me to Him by His mercy and goodness and won my heart. Now I no longer have to fear vengeance, He is my benevolent Father.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T11:40:00Z Wardy I don't like to attach anthropomorphic qualities to the infinite and boundless one ... many a christian has prayed for personal power or benefit
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T11:40:00Z
Wardy I don't like to attach anthropomorphic qualities to the infinite and boundless one ... many a christian has prayed for personal power or benefit
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T12:37:34Z HashAttack2 Well, the average christian prays for a place in heaven. Isn't that for ones own benefit?
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T12:37:34Z
HashAttack2 Well, the average christian prays for a place in heaven. Isn't that for ones own benefit?
ge0m0 · 2019-09-02T13:00:30Z Wardy It's not the germs, it's the petri dish.
Wardy It's not the germs, it's the petri dish.
Wardy · 2019-09-02T15:52:11Z That is a very good point. The question is who are you asking, and for what motives. Christians who pray to manipulate people's will (God make my wife stop spending so much money) are basically doing witchcraft. We can ask, just like a child will ask its father, and in my experience He is very generous, but the results are up to Him.
That is a very good point. The question is who are you asking, and for what motives. Christians who pray to manipulate people's will (God make my wife stop spending so much money) are basically doing witchcraft. We can ask, just like a child will ask its father, and in my experience He is very generous, but the results are up to Him.
Eventide · 2019-09-02T17:04:16Z Wardy Once again, you are making the blanket assumption that spiritual = evil. As you've discovered, it is vitally important to avoid being obsessed with power over others or events. People are fooling themselves if they think that this isn't a major challenge, or that failing that challenge is inconsequential. Avoiding personality inflation is difficult, and the challenges get more intense as one develops. None of that makes the spiritual world inherently bad or something to be avoided. The spiritual world is the reality standing behind manifestation. Full stop. If your knowledge is rudimentary and your attachments drive your actions, regressive spiritual entities will try to enslave you (assuring you that you are in charge, of course). That's real. But none of that happens because the spiritual world is inherently evil. It happens because you have a lot to learn about yourself in relation to that world. If you don't feel that you can avoid the kind of personality inflation that could make you a target for such entities, it's right to stay away for now. At some point in the future, however, it will become necessary to gain some understanding and some competence, because human spiritual growth requires it.
Eventide · 2019-09-02T17:04:16Z
Wardy Once again, you are making the blanket assumption that spiritual = evil. As you've discovered, it is vitally important to avoid being obsessed with power over others or events. People are fooling themselves if they think that this isn't a major challenge, or that failing that challenge is inconsequential. Avoiding personality inflation is difficult, and the challenges get more intense as one develops. None of that makes the spiritual world inherently bad or something to be avoided. The spiritual world is the reality standing behind manifestation. Full stop. If your knowledge is rudimentary and your attachments drive your actions, regressive spiritual entities will try to enslave you (assuring you that you are in charge, of course). That's real. But none of that happens because the spiritual world is inherently evil. It happens because you have a lot to learn about yourself in relation to that world. If you don't feel that you can avoid the kind of personality inflation that could make you a target for such entities, it's right to stay away for now. At some point in the future, however, it will become necessary to gain some understanding and some competence, because human spiritual growth requires it.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:17:08Z Wardy The problem is when it is difficult to tell the difference between a good or an evil spirit .... calling something god does not make it good Here's Yahweh telling his followers how to remove non-followers and take their land Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:17:08Z
Wardy The problem is when it is difficult to tell the difference between a good or an evil spirit .... calling something god does not make it good Here's Yahweh telling his followers how to remove non-followers and take their land Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:23:14Z graeme15b the average christian also hopes heaven that exists ... for their own benefit
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:23:14Z
graeme15b the average christian also hopes heaven that exists ... for their own benefit
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:35:43Z lsjarvi I agree with you comment ... I'm thinking of someone wandering around with a big diamond in their pocket and then discovering that someone has stolen it - I wouldn't call the pick-pocket "inherently evil", just someone that took advantage of a foolish man Dabbling with spirits whilst unaware of the diamond in one's heart is likely to end badly
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T17:35:43Z
lsjarvi I agree with you comment ... I'm thinking of someone wandering around with a big diamond in their pocket and then discovering that someone has stolen it - I wouldn't call the pick-pocket "inherently evil", just someone that took advantage of a foolish man Dabbling with spirits whilst unaware of the diamond in one's heart is likely to end badly
Eventide · 2019-09-02T18:00:50Z HashAttack2 Using the same metaphor, imagining you're in possession of a diamond, when it's actually still a lump of coal, is also a problem that ends badly!
Eventide · 2019-09-02T18:00:50Z
HashAttack2 Using the same metaphor, imagining you're in possession of a diamond, when it's actually still a lump of coal, is also a problem that ends badly!
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T18:25:50Z HashAttack2 ...or not. lol.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T18:25:50Z
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T22:27:47Z lsjarvi The gift that we are given is the knowledge that the coal can be transformed into a diamond ... One of my favourite Kabir verses Kabir's house is on the top, where the path is slippery; An ant cannot hold it's footing and they go with loaded bullocks! [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T22:27:47Z
lsjarvi The gift that we are given is the knowledge that the coal can be transformed into a diamond ... One of my favourite Kabir verses Kabir's house is on the top, where the path is slippery; An ant cannot hold it's footing and they go with loaded bullocks! [ Link ]
Kabir's house is on the top, where the path is slippery; An ant cannot hold it's footing and they go with loaded bullocks!
Joan · 2019-09-02T23:55:07Z graeme15b What about weather forecasting? Useful point, before the advent of weather forecasting on the nightly news, people would use observations of the sky, the smell of the air, the look of the trees, the animals around them, the way the leaves are shown in the wind. It seems to me that in days gone by people were much more attuned to the earth and nature and the changes around them, now we look to the nightly news, everyone is too busy looking at their cell phones to notice, let alone to smell the air, look at the trees, the clouds and the wind. We have lost our senses, in more ways than one!
graeme15b What about weather forecasting? Useful point, before the advent of weather forecasting on the nightly news, people would use observations of the sky, the smell of the air, the look of the trees, the animals around them, the way the leaves are shown in the wind. It seems to me that in days gone by people were much more attuned to the earth and nature and the changes around them, now we look to the nightly news, everyone is too busy looking at their cell phones to notice, let alone to smell the air, look at the trees, the clouds and the wind. We have lost our senses, in more ways than one!
Wardy · 2019-09-03T05:15:29Z I agree that the ego is the weak point. I definitely see the good and evil in the spiritual world, the battle is over our souls. God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. Divination is one of the baits.
I agree that the ego is the weak point. I definitely see the good and evil in the spiritual world, the battle is over our souls. God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. Divination is one of the baits.
Joan · 2019-09-03T05:31:31Z Wardy I think that TC Lethbridge would consider you as an interrupter, what ever way you want to interpret the situation
Wardy I think that TC Lethbridge would consider you as an interrupter, what ever way you want to interpret the situation
Wardy · 2019-09-03T05:42:25Z This was a kind of mercy, removing a people so corrupt they were a kind of cancer that was going to corrupt the Israelites if they lived amongst them. You can read about the incest, child abuse in Leviticus 18:21-25 (KJV) And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. In the end the Israelites didn't wipe them out, they instead became like them, and eventually they were ethnically cleansed by the Babylonian empire.
This was a kind of mercy, removing a people so corrupt they were a kind of cancer that was going to corrupt the Israelites if they lived amongst them. You can read about the incest, child abuse in Leviticus 18:21-25 (KJV) And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. In the end the Israelites didn't wipe them out, they instead became like them, and eventually they were ethnically cleansed by the Babylonian empire.
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T09:49:09Z Joan Well, that may be correct, but the point is, is that weather forecasting is a form of divination.
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T09:49:09Z
Joan Well, that may be correct, but the point is, is that weather forecasting is a form of divination.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T09:56:15Z Wardy "In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is the bible moral?"
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T09:56:15Z
Wardy "In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is the bible moral?"
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T10:13:18Z Highland Fleet Lute or what defines moral Wiccan Rede - "If it harm none, do what you will." Crowley - "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T10:13:18Z
Highland Fleet Lute or what defines moral Wiccan Rede - "If it harm none, do what you will." Crowley - "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T10:15:28Z Wardy I agree that the ego is the weak point. I definitely see the good and evil in the spiritual world, the battle is over our souls. God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. Divination is one of the baits. That is such a sweeping statement! For example: God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. How can one discern the difference without knowledge? Faith alone without knowledge is called blind faith and with good reason. (Take a look at the Cassi website and the work with the Cs for example. A tremendous amount of information!)
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T10:15:28Z
Wardy I agree that the ego is the weak point. I definitely see the good and evil in the spiritual world, the battle is over our souls. God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. Divination is one of the baits. That is such a sweeping statement! For example: God asks us to trust (have faith) while the demons lure us with knowledge and power. How can one discern the difference without knowledge? Faith alone without knowledge is called blind faith and with good reason. (Take a look at the Cassi website and the work with the Cs for example. A tremendous amount of information!)
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T10:32:17Z HashAttack2 Really? Is Aleister Crowley moral?
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T10:32:17Z
HashAttack2 Really? Is Aleister Crowley moral?
ChewyBees · 2019-09-03T11:14:50Z graeme15b All of that works fine until the master and the driver do nothing more than loop around the same piece of track over, and over, and over again. You can have the finest carriage being pulled by the finest team of horses and then being lead by the finest drivers only to have the same looping destination being wasted on that. Organizations create loopers. A looper is a man that does the same thing every day/week in hopes of reaching a higher being. It is prevalent in nearly every western religion, and I am guessing eastern too. In other forms it is prevalent in government and science. Sin. Church. Forgiveness. Pretend repentance. Sin. Church. Forgiveness. Pretend repentance. To break out of a loop means to admit that what you have been doing is incorrect, or in the very least not progressive, and then to find a different path that doesn't lead back to the non-sense.
ChewyBees · 2019-09-03T11:14:50Z
graeme15b All of that works fine until the master and the driver do nothing more than loop around the same piece of track over, and over, and over again. You can have the finest carriage being pulled by the finest team of horses and then being lead by the finest drivers only to have the same looping destination being wasted on that. Organizations create loopers. A looper is a man that does the same thing every day/week in hopes of reaching a higher being. It is prevalent in nearly every western religion, and I am guessing eastern too. In other forms it is prevalent in government and science. Sin. Church. Forgiveness. Pretend repentance. Sin. Church. Forgiveness. Pretend repentance. To break out of a loop means to admit that what you have been doing is incorrect, or in the very least not progressive, and then to find a different path that doesn't lead back to the non-sense.
ChewyBees · 2019-09-03T11:20:47Z HashAttack2 Here's Yahweh telling his followers how to remove non-followers and take their land - "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:" Err, no, that is some ancient Mesopotamian priests telling people what to do and calling it "Yahweh" Deuteronomy is an absolute scary ass joke. And to piggy back that - everything that Jesus Christ said is hearsay.
ChewyBees · 2019-09-03T11:20:47Z
HashAttack2 Here's Yahweh telling his followers how to remove non-followers and take their land - "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, [and] utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:" Err, no, that is some ancient Mesopotamian priests telling people what to do and calling it "Yahweh" Deuteronomy is an absolute scary ass joke. And to piggy back that - everything that Jesus Christ said is hearsay.
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T12:05:53Z Highland Fleet Lute This is why 'self-consciousness', 'self-remembering', 'ego', 'I am', 'I am responsible' is key , and why the whole Caitlin Johnstone "ego-death, you-don't-exist" flannel is worthless dangerous garbage . Why do you keep referencing that? Please explain, because after 15-20 years of intense contemplation and meditation on that very subject, it actually makes sense to me now (not the dangerous garbage part). As for the first part of the quote, absolutely agreed. The problem with the "you-don't-exist" approach, in my experience, is that it is advanced teaching. It cannot be understood the first day of class. It takes a lot of immersion in the teaching and inspection in different contexts before it makes any sense at all, then more of the same to begin to make some headway into the deeper meaning of it. In the end, again this is my experience (I prefer the path of the jnani to the path of bhakti, that is mind path to heart path, or as they say, using the sharpness of mind to remove the thorn of mind), the italicized part of the quote means the very same thing as the bold , and heart-mind seems non-different. Meditation (and other practices) can loosen boundaries. When there is no boundary experienced by self (this is a direct experience of no-self as taught in Buddhism), then what to make of the ego (which simply mean "I")? At the same time, consciousness is attentive; consciousness attends. In the mature and abiding experience of no-self (as I am told, my experience with the state is fleeting, though on demand, it isn't very sticky) that doesn't identify with anything in particular, attention is paid (i.e. putting money where one's mouth is, being responsible, as in able to respond appropriately in pure service, because there is neither self nor other to serve) to what's there, which is without boundary and Whole. Johnstone might very well be regurgitating a concept that she doesn't understand. Wouldn't be the first time. She's young. The only danger, as with most things, is to accept or reject the concept without investigating it. Seems like that's what you're doing.
Highland Fleet Lute This is why 'self-consciousness', 'self-remembering', 'ego', 'I am', 'I am responsible' is key , and why the whole Caitlin Johnstone "ego-death, you-don't-exist" flannel is worthless dangerous garbage . Why do you keep referencing that? Please explain, because after 15-20 years of intense contemplation and meditation on that very subject, it actually makes sense to me now (not the dangerous garbage part). As for the first part of the quote, absolutely agreed. The problem with the "you-don't-exist" approach, in my experience, is that it is advanced teaching. It cannot be understood the first day of class. It takes a lot of immersion in the teaching and inspection in different contexts before it makes any sense at all, then more of the same to begin to make some headway into the deeper meaning of it. In the end, again this is my experience (I prefer the path of the jnani to the path of bhakti, that is mind path to heart path, or as they say, using the sharpness of mind to remove the thorn of mind), the italicized part of the quote means the very same thing as the bold , and heart-mind seems non-different. Meditation (and other practices) can loosen boundaries. When there is no boundary experienced by self (this is a direct experience of no-self as taught in Buddhism), then what to make of the ego (which simply mean "I")? At the same time, consciousness is attentive; consciousness attends. In the mature and abiding experience of no-self (as I am told, my experience with the state is fleeting, though on demand, it isn't very sticky) that doesn't identify with anything in particular, attention is paid (i.e. putting money where one's mouth is, being responsible, as in able to respond appropriately in pure service, because there is neither self nor other to serve) to what's there, which is without boundary and Whole. Johnstone might very well be regurgitating a concept that she doesn't understand. Wouldn't be the first time. She's young. The only danger, as with most things, is to accept or reject the concept without investigating it. Seems like that's what you're doing.
Highland Fleet Lute This is why 'self-consciousness', 'self-remembering', 'ego', 'I am', 'I am responsible' is key , and why the whole Caitlin Johnstone "ego-death, you-don't-exist" flannel is worthless dangerous garbage .
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:12:50Z ge0m0 "Why do you keep referencing that?" Because people concerned with the issue of 'spirituality' have not made adjustments necessary to mitigate the damage inflicted on the Western noosphere by Timothy Leary and the CIA's LSD programme.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:12:50Z
ge0m0 "Why do you keep referencing that?" Because people concerned with the issue of 'spirituality' have not made adjustments necessary to mitigate the damage inflicted on the Western noosphere by Timothy Leary and the CIA's LSD programme.
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T12:18:50Z Wardy Ever read any C.S. Lewis, renowned author of the "Chronicles of Narnia?" He was an outstanding Christian thinker. You might be interested in "Screwtape Letters" which is about demons and such malevolently poking around in our lives. Some of his other books whose titles I don't recall at the moment were just as good and probably ring true to you. Now, if you've not read "Narnia," as some literalist and unimaginative Christians think it's about pagan nonsense, but it is really a profound story about the role in our lives of Divinity in the flesh. Aslan the Lion is a metaphor. In "The Last Battle" there is a scene at the end where one of the opposing army enters the tent (another metaphor for the Tabernacle) of THOTH (a metaphor for the anti-christ). Other's of his band had entered before him to their torturous demise, though members of Aslan's clan entered and found their eternal reward. For this particular soldier, who had a devout heart of good in spite of his cultural association with the form of THOTH, also found his eternal reward. The point is, getting hung up on the form is the mistake. It's the intention behind it. It's the thought that counts, and pure thoughts are like armor for the soul.
Wardy Ever read any C.S. Lewis, renowned author of the "Chronicles of Narnia?" He was an outstanding Christian thinker. You might be interested in "Screwtape Letters" which is about demons and such malevolently poking around in our lives. Some of his other books whose titles I don't recall at the moment were just as good and probably ring true to you. Now, if you've not read "Narnia," as some literalist and unimaginative Christians think it's about pagan nonsense, but it is really a profound story about the role in our lives of Divinity in the flesh. Aslan the Lion is a metaphor. In "The Last Battle" there is a scene at the end where one of the opposing army enters the tent (another metaphor for the Tabernacle) of THOTH (a metaphor for the anti-christ). Other's of his band had entered before him to their torturous demise, though members of Aslan's clan entered and found their eternal reward. For this particular soldier, who had a devout heart of good in spite of his cultural association with the form of THOTH, also found his eternal reward. The point is, getting hung up on the form is the mistake. It's the intention behind it. It's the thought that counts, and pure thoughts are like armor for the soul.
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T12:20:13Z lsjarvi Brilliant!
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T12:21:23Z HashAttack2 Dabbling with spirits whilst unaware of the diamond in one's heart is likely to end badly Excellent!
HashAttack2 Dabbling with spirits whilst unaware of the diamond in one's heart is likely to end badly Excellent!
Dabbling with spirits whilst unaware of the diamond in one's heart is likely to end badly
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T12:23:37Z Wardy Divination is one of the baits. Everything is a bait, not just divination, until nothing is a bait, and neither is divination. First coal, then diamonds.
Wardy Divination is one of the baits. Everything is a bait, not just divination, until nothing is a bait, and neither is divination. First coal, then diamonds.
Divination is one of the baits.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T12:37:21Z Highland Fleet Lute So long as one adhere's to "if it harm none" - but AC dropped that part
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T12:37:21Z
Highland Fleet Lute So long as one adhere's to "if it harm none" - but AC dropped that part
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:38:03Z I agree that the ego is the weak point. You only ever hear Americans and Canadians going on about "ego, ego, ego" in these kinds of conversations. That's because they're unwitting victim-heirs to all that Timothy Leary shite. Have you ever taken acid, Wardy?
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:38:03Z
I agree that the ego is the weak point. You only ever hear Americans and Canadians going on about "ego, ego, ego" in these kinds of conversations. That's because they're unwitting victim-heirs to all that Timothy Leary shite. Have you ever taken acid, Wardy?
I agree that the ego is the weak point.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:40:12Z HashAttack2 I tend to think people attracted to Aleister Crowley must have very poor psychometry skills.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T12:40:12Z
HashAttack2 I tend to think people attracted to Aleister Crowley must have very poor psychometry skills.
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T13:43:38Z ChewyBees I think you have missed the point! Going around in loops, whether in person, organizations, or whatever, is not a carriage with a driver awake in communication with the master. Not even close!
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T13:43:38Z
ChewyBees I think you have missed the point! Going around in loops, whether in person, organizations, or whatever, is not a carriage with a driver awake in communication with the master. Not even close!
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T16:12:07Z graeme15b "Heaven can wait" It's a risky assumption that heaven exists - what if "communication" only exists for when we are alive Religions are quite devious - obey and glorify your rulers when you are alive and then you can experience heaven after you die!
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T16:12:07Z
graeme15b "Heaven can wait" It's a risky assumption that heaven exists - what if "communication" only exists for when we are alive Religions are quite devious - obey and glorify your rulers when you are alive and then you can experience heaven after you die!
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T16:25:51Z HashAttack2 I think you have missed the point! You are assuming that I believe heaven exists, when I have said nothing of the sort. The "communication" mentioned above is in reference to Gurdjieff's 'parable of the coach', and nothing whatsoever about religion.
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T16:25:51Z
HashAttack2 I think you have missed the point! You are assuming that I believe heaven exists, when I have said nothing of the sort. The "communication" mentioned above is in reference to Gurdjieff's 'parable of the coach', and nothing whatsoever about religion.
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T16:45:56Z HashAttack2 what if "communication" only exists for when we are alive Then you might as well conclude that the universe only exists while we are alive. Information is as elemental as matter and energy. If there is information, then by default there must be communication of it.
HashAttack2 what if "communication" only exists for when we are alive Then you might as well conclude that the universe only exists while we are alive. Information is as elemental as matter and energy. If there is information, then by default there must be communication of it.
what if "communication" only exists for when we are alive
hkoehli · 2019-09-03T16:48:27Z In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" Getting hidden knowledge, that gives you power, or makes you feel special, that is going to appeal to the worst aspects of our nature. I feel the other question that needs to be asked is "Where does the knowledge come from?" It is not from our Superego or subconscious, but from spiritual entities that want to deceive and entrap. I used a pendulum for some time in my New Age phase and for example even got good diagnostic information from X rays in my work as a vet. I got more and more drawn in, in the end I was asking the pendulum about life decisions. That is when the demons have sucked you in deep. Stay away from all kinds of divination. I agree with some of this. But note that we didn't discuss using the pendulum as a kind of magic eight ball. Like you say, giving over your free will in such a way is to invite something else to take over. But as for its use in the contexts we actually discussed, see our shows on First Sight. There's nothing demonic about humans' natural propensity for 'psi' - it's at the root of basic psychology and consciousness itself.
hkoehli · 2019-09-03T16:48:27Z
In all of your conversation, you never asked the question "Is divination moral?" Getting hidden knowledge, that gives you power, or makes you feel special, that is going to appeal to the worst aspects of our nature. I feel the other question that needs to be asked is "Where does the knowledge come from?" It is not from our Superego or subconscious, but from spiritual entities that want to deceive and entrap. I used a pendulum for some time in my New Age phase and for example even got good diagnostic information from X rays in my work as a vet. I got more and more drawn in, in the end I was asking the pendulum about life decisions. That is when the demons have sucked you in deep. Stay away from all kinds of divination. I agree with some of this. But note that we didn't discuss using the pendulum as a kind of magic eight ball. Like you say, giving over your free will in such a way is to invite something else to take over. But as for its use in the contexts we actually discussed, see our shows on First Sight. There's nothing demonic about humans' natural propensity for 'psi' - it's at the root of basic psychology and consciousness itself.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:08:58Z ge0m0 "I prefer the path of the jnani to the path of bhakti, that is mind path to heart path" Bhakti all the way for me ... the devotional poems of Kabir, Marabai and Rumi
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:08:58Z
ge0m0 "I prefer the path of the jnani to the path of bhakti, that is mind path to heart path" Bhakti all the way for me ... the devotional poems of Kabir, Marabai and Rumi
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:26:02Z graeme15b Sorry Graeme, that's just me using "you" when not specifically meaning "you" I was referring to "going around in loops" Some people are waiting until they die for "heaven" and to them, seeking it out now appears to be going around in loops The religious term "heaven" doesn't really equate - it's a poor imitation of what can be experienced What I was trying to put over (in conversation, not directly to you) is that experiencing what we can, during this limited life cycle, should be important to us - but I think society and religions undermine that, hence others thinking that the search equates to going around in loops The parable of the coach appears in the Upanishads too
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:26:02Z
graeme15b Sorry Graeme, that's just me using "you" when not specifically meaning "you" I was referring to "going around in loops" Some people are waiting until they die for "heaven" and to them, seeking it out now appears to be going around in loops The religious term "heaven" doesn't really equate - it's a poor imitation of what can be experienced What I was trying to put over (in conversation, not directly to you) is that experiencing what we can, during this limited life cycle, should be important to us - but I think society and religions undermine that, hence others thinking that the search equates to going around in loops The parable of the coach appears in the Upanishads too
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T17:37:25Z HashAttack2 Ok, fair enough. The parable of the coach appears in the Upanishads too Yes, I know.
graeme15b · 2019-09-03T17:37:25Z
HashAttack2 Ok, fair enough. The parable of the coach appears in the Upanishads too Yes, I know.
The parable of the coach appears in the Upanishads too
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:40:53Z ge0m0 That may be true too ... (universe only existing whilst we are alive) - we have a gift whilst we are alive, we can be 100% certain of that, anything else is conjecture I see life as a separation from godhead .. an opportunity to ask "what does the creator aspire of his creation?" Maybe this is a bhakti trait ... you need life to experience that devotion. Kabir is always urging himself to wake and remember God, warning himself that one day he will be dead, sleeping forever and unable to worship God anymore
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-03T17:40:53Z
ge0m0 That may be true too ... (universe only existing whilst we are alive) - we have a gift whilst we are alive, we can be 100% certain of that, anything else is conjecture I see life as a separation from godhead .. an opportunity to ask "what does the creator aspire of his creation?" Maybe this is a bhakti trait ... you need life to experience that devotion. Kabir is always urging himself to wake and remember God, warning himself that one day he will be dead, sleeping forever and unable to worship God anymore
DelamerDuverus · 2019-09-03T18:05:53Z hkoehli The Golden Reed speaks to this subject in the chapter titled, Sensory Perception. the first paragraph states, "As we state in the chapter on healing, there are no extra sensory powers. Extra-sensory powers are merely an extension of the physical senses. The basic consciousness is much more sensitive than the physical consciousness, and receives impulses that the brain is not able to receive, and register This is all that extra-sensory powers are, and nothing more. He lists telepathy, clairvoyance, clair-audience, psychometry, apportaions, teleportaion, levitation, astral projection, and precognition. We develop them by making use of them.
DelamerDuverus · 2019-09-03T18:05:53Z
hkoehli The Golden Reed speaks to this subject in the chapter titled, Sensory Perception. the first paragraph states, "As we state in the chapter on healing, there are no extra sensory powers. Extra-sensory powers are merely an extension of the physical senses. The basic consciousness is much more sensitive than the physical consciousness, and receives impulses that the brain is not able to receive, and register This is all that extra-sensory powers are, and nothing more. He lists telepathy, clairvoyance, clair-audience, psychometry, apportaions, teleportaion, levitation, astral projection, and precognition. We develop them by making use of them.
ge0m0 · 2019-09-03T18:51:55Z HashAttack2 Hmmm. Bhakti wouldn't even ask what the creator aspires of creation. Bhakti is pure, unconditional devotion. Asking is conditional. Jnani asks: "What's the difference between Creator and Creation?" Then answers: "There is none." Very dry, but true. Bhakti replies: "I adore You!" Blissfully unaware of any distinction. Also true. Kabir is often quoted by a Himalayan Yogi I get to see sometimes. He also tells stories about the Gopis. They adore Krishna, but have no apparent idea about Vedic philosophy, and are disparaged by various sages because they don't understand the Krishna's cosmic nature. Krishna replies: "Where should the Gopi's put this knowledge you say they should have, when they are so full of Krishna-consciousness that is all they see?" The teaching is that without Bhakti, jnani is dry. However, he emphasizes both paths as leading to/through each other. Eventually the bhakti understands like the jnani, and the jnani loves like the bhakti. They are non-different. Truth is whole and can't be parsed into this path or that one. It's all the same path. We only imagine this path as "real" and that one as "unreal."
HashAttack2 Hmmm. Bhakti wouldn't even ask what the creator aspires of creation. Bhakti is pure, unconditional devotion. Asking is conditional. Jnani asks: "What's the difference between Creator and Creation?" Then answers: "There is none." Very dry, but true. Bhakti replies: "I adore You!" Blissfully unaware of any distinction. Also true. Kabir is often quoted by a Himalayan Yogi I get to see sometimes. He also tells stories about the Gopis. They adore Krishna, but have no apparent idea about Vedic philosophy, and are disparaged by various sages because they don't understand the Krishna's cosmic nature. Krishna replies: "Where should the Gopi's put this knowledge you say they should have, when they are so full of Krishna-consciousness that is all they see?" The teaching is that without Bhakti, jnani is dry. However, he emphasizes both paths as leading to/through each other. Eventually the bhakti understands like the jnani, and the jnani loves like the bhakti. They are non-different. Truth is whole and can't be parsed into this path or that one. It's all the same path. We only imagine this path as "real" and that one as "unreal."
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T22:15:53Z There's nothing demonic about humans' natural propensity for 'psi' - it's at the root of basic psychology and consciousness itself. Indeed, and as we're moving much deeper into a situation of mass-psychosis, uber-censorship, 5G, smart cities, etc, the more legitimate psi-options there are available to people who have no particular wish to participate in any of the above, the better.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T22:15:53Z
There's nothing demonic about humans' natural propensity for 'psi' - it's at the root of basic psychology and consciousness itself. Indeed, and as we're moving much deeper into a situation of mass-psychosis, uber-censorship, 5G, smart cities, etc, the more legitimate psi-options there are available to people who have no particular wish to participate in any of the above, the better.
There's nothing demonic about humans' natural propensity for 'psi' - it's at the root of basic psychology and consciousness itself.
Eventide · 2019-09-04T04:33:16Z Wardy I have used astrodice for clarification in all sorts of situations, from understanding dreams, to decisions about purchases, to diagnosing what's wrong with my car, to understanding emotional or interpersonal situations, for the past 36 years. I have two practices. One is to only roll the dice when I sense that I have reached a state of neutrality (no bias) within myself. This is an emotional and mental state of deference and respect that I have found ensures a productive response. I can easily achieve it now, but it could be a challenge to achieve when I was younger. The other is how I phrase the question. Rather than asking for advice, I ask about the 'energy surrounding' the situation or concern. I understand that in order to show respect for the spiritual beings who can and do speak through the divination tool, I must do this things.
Eventide · 2019-09-04T04:33:16Z
Wardy I have used astrodice for clarification in all sorts of situations, from understanding dreams, to decisions about purchases, to diagnosing what's wrong with my car, to understanding emotional or interpersonal situations, for the past 36 years. I have two practices. One is to only roll the dice when I sense that I have reached a state of neutrality (no bias) within myself. This is an emotional and mental state of deference and respect that I have found ensures a productive response. I can easily achieve it now, but it could be a challenge to achieve when I was younger. The other is how I phrase the question. Rather than asking for advice, I ask about the 'energy surrounding' the situation or concern. I understand that in order to show respect for the spiritual beings who can and do speak through the divination tool, I must do this things.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-04T07:25:30Z lsjarvi "I have used astrodice for clarification in all sorts of situations" Dunno. Don't fancy 'The Dice Man Experience' much. LOL. I consult The I Ching sometimes. The I Ching is quite handy as a kind of 'divination for dummies'. It contains a failsafe against misuse as everything within it is designed to favour 'the firm correctness of the superior man'.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-04T07:25:30Z
lsjarvi "I have used astrodice for clarification in all sorts of situations" Dunno. Don't fancy 'The Dice Man Experience' much. LOL. I consult The I Ching sometimes. The I Ching is quite handy as a kind of 'divination for dummies'. It contains a failsafe against misuse as everything within it is designed to favour 'the firm correctness of the superior man'.
Joan · 2019-09-07T23:02:58Z graeme15b My point was that weather as you said, is a form of divination, where I disagree, is the weather forecasting we now have at present, the only human intervention is reading various forms of data from weather stations around the world. As an example, a few days ago, where I live, the weather was clear and sunny, with temperatures in the high 80's, reading the weather forecast from the government agency, no untoward weather events were predicted Boy! Were they wrong,the skies suddenly became overcast, there was severe thunder and lightening, heavy rains. Talking with someone who was caught in the rains, she said, the rainfall was so intensive, she actually felt pain on her skin. The power went out and was not restored until the early hours, about 7 or 8 hours later, thank goodness, in time for people getting ready to go to work. I believe farmers and shepherds, were a good source of information regarding the weather in days gone by...no high tech..Hence the advent of the Farmers Almanac.
graeme15b My point was that weather as you said, is a form of divination, where I disagree, is the weather forecasting we now have at present, the only human intervention is reading various forms of data from weather stations around the world. As an example, a few days ago, where I live, the weather was clear and sunny, with temperatures in the high 80's, reading the weather forecast from the government agency, no untoward weather events were predicted Boy! Were they wrong,the skies suddenly became overcast, there was severe thunder and lightening, heavy rains. Talking with someone who was caught in the rains, she said, the rainfall was so intensive, she actually felt pain on her skin. The power went out and was not restored until the early hours, about 7 or 8 hours later, thank goodness, in time for people getting ready to go to work. I believe farmers and shepherds, were a good source of information regarding the weather in days gone by...no high tech..Hence the advent of the Farmers Almanac.
Wardy · 2019-09-08T03:20:44Z "I understand that in order to show respect for the spiritual beings who can and do speak through the divination tool". Your experience and approach sounds similar to mine when I used a pendulum. What kinds of spiritual beings are communicating with you would you say?
"I understand that in order to show respect for the spiritual beings who can and do speak through the divination tool". Your experience and approach sounds similar to mine when I used a pendulum. What kinds of spiritual beings are communicating with you would you say?
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:20:11Z Nice one! The ability to feel/read objects is called psychometry. My understanding of "divination" is just a higher order of awareness, and not some supernatural force. To those tuned to the lower 5 sense "reality', this may seem like magical ability, when it is not. For example, prophetic dreams are just tuning into a higher level thought, with the time element illusion removed.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T10:20:11Z
Nice one! The ability to feel/read objects is called psychometry. My understanding of "divination" is just a higher order of awareness, and not some supernatural force. To those tuned to the lower 5 sense "reality', this may seem like magical ability, when it is not. For example, prophetic dreams are just tuning into a higher level thought, with the time element illusion removed.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:51:21Z graeme15b The worst form of divination are prayers to officially endorsed false idols
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-02T10:51:21Z
graeme15b The worst form of divination are prayers to officially endorsed false idols
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T11:15:09Z HashAttack2 ...or, the 'self' defeating ones like fatalism and determinism. A true 'form' of wishful thinking,... pardon the pun.
graeme15b · 2019-09-02T11:15:09Z
HashAttack2 ...or, the 'self' defeating ones like fatalism and determinism. A true 'form' of wishful thinking,... pardon the pun.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T10:32:19Z Vessels....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-02T10:32:19Z
Joan · 2019-09-03T01:21:46Z Highland Fleet Lute My own personal preference is Spem in Alium, by Harry Christopher, a 40 person endeavor, all in the voice of the individuals participating...a choir, composed by Thomas Tallis, a medieval composer, who's origins are unknown [ Link ] Spem in alium (Latin for "Hope in any other") is a 40-part Renaissance motet by Thomas Tallis, composed in c. 1570 for eight choirs of five voices each. It is considered by some critics to be the greatest piece of English early music. H. B. Collins described it in 1929 as Tallis's "crowning achievement
Highland Fleet Lute My own personal preference is Spem in Alium, by Harry Christopher, a 40 person endeavor, all in the voice of the individuals participating...a choir, composed by Thomas Tallis, a medieval composer, who's origins are unknown [ Link ] Spem in alium (Latin for "Hope in any other") is a 40-part Renaissance motet by Thomas Tallis, composed in c. 1570 for eight choirs of five voices each. It is considered by some critics to be the greatest piece of English early music. H. B. Collins described it in 1929 as Tallis's "crowning achievement
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T07:54:02Z Joan Yeah, I know 'Spem', 'When Rising from The Bed of Death', etc. The reason I put 'Vessels' on is: The theme went with the conversation + I'm listening to a lot of spirally arpeggiated gear at the moment.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-03T07:54:02Z
Joan Yeah, I know 'Spem', 'When Rising from The Bed of Death', etc. The reason I put 'Vessels' on is: The theme went with the conversation + I'm listening to a lot of spirally arpeggiated gear at the moment.
Joan · 2019-09-06T01:04:40Z Highland Fleet Lute I am interested, I have never heard of such a term as spirally arpeggiated gear. What does it do increase human consciousness? I am most intrigued.
Highland Fleet Lute I am interested, I have never heard of such a term as spirally arpeggiated gear. What does it do increase human consciousness? I am most intrigued.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T03:28:38Z Joan "I have never heard of such a term as spirally arpeggiated gear." My descriptive. LOL. By that I mean certain old rave-y tunes that have a certain swirly dynamic, plus Richard Wagner, Philip Glass and stuff....[ Link ] I met Philip Glass. He had an affair with one of my female journo friends. Me and my Northern Soul mates always used to go and see both Philip Glass and Michael Nyman when they played in London back in the 80's, 90's olden days. Like a lot of things, some of it's a hit, some of it's a miss, some of it's interesting, some of it's less interesting.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T03:28:38Z
Joan "I have never heard of such a term as spirally arpeggiated gear." My descriptive. LOL. By that I mean certain old rave-y tunes that have a certain swirly dynamic, plus Richard Wagner, Philip Glass and stuff....[ Link ] I met Philip Glass. He had an affair with one of my female journo friends. Me and my Northern Soul mates always used to go and see both Philip Glass and Michael Nyman when they played in London back in the 80's, 90's olden days. Like a lot of things, some of it's a hit, some of it's a miss, some of it's interesting, some of it's less interesting.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T04:20:58Z Highland Fleet Lute "By that I mean certain old rave-y tunes that have a certain swirly dynamic." Speaking of which, some of this AABA bereft, overly-phased, BPM obsessive gear is good fun if you like that sort of thing... Cygnus X - The Orange Theme....[ Link ] Velocity - Future (Original Version)....[ Link ] Blue Alphabet - Cybertrance....[ Link ] Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar ( DJ Kid Paul Mix )....[ Link ] Datura & Usura - Infinity (Mathematical Mix)....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T04:20:58Z
Highland Fleet Lute "By that I mean certain old rave-y tunes that have a certain swirly dynamic." Speaking of which, some of this AABA bereft, overly-phased, BPM obsessive gear is good fun if you like that sort of thing... Cygnus X - The Orange Theme....[ Link ] Velocity - Future (Original Version)....[ Link ] Blue Alphabet - Cybertrance....[ Link ] Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar ( DJ Kid Paul Mix )....[ Link ] Datura & Usura - Infinity (Mathematical Mix)....[ Link ]
Eventide · 2019-09-06T14:19:33Z Highland Fleet Lute It's amazing to me that what wouldn't have constituted a good rhythm track even 20 years ago now is now the whole of the piece in so many instances. Just lay down an uninspired rhythm track, and add a few repetitive chord changes. No dynamics, or melodic line needed. Just get access to some expensive tech and presto you're a musician? How can you stand to listen to this crap without running out the door screaming?
Eventide · 2019-09-06T14:19:33Z
Highland Fleet Lute It's amazing to me that what wouldn't have constituted a good rhythm track even 20 years ago now is now the whole of the piece in so many instances. Just lay down an uninspired rhythm track, and add a few repetitive chord changes. No dynamics, or melodic line needed. Just get access to some expensive tech and presto you're a musician? How can you stand to listen to this crap without running out the door screaming?
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T14:25:15Z lsjarvi As I said, it's AABA bereft.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T14:25:15Z
lsjarvi As I said, it's AABA bereft.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-06T17:10:16Z Highland Fleet Lute Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Nalin & Kane Remix) - [ Link ] - Awesome track Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Paul Oakenfold mix) - [ Link ] - Love it
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-06T17:10:16Z
Highland Fleet Lute Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Nalin & Kane Remix) - [ Link ] - Awesome track Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Paul Oakenfold mix) - [ Link ] - Love it
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T21:07:21Z HashAttack2 "How can you stand to listen to this crap without running out the door screaming?" Well, you could say, lack of talent, call that music, repetitive, blah blah etc, and on the one hand you might be right, but on the other hand, it's functional music. It's functional to the specific situation of being bombed out of your gourd on ecstasy in a 1990's European nightclub. That's a situation not particularly given to reverence for sonata form, peaks and troughs, verse chorus verse, etc, 'cause it's all about the one continuous horizontal WHOOOSHHH!!! I personally find that kind of thing worthy of study. If other people don't, I can quite easily see why they don't. LOL.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T21:07:21Z
HashAttack2 "How can you stand to listen to this crap without running out the door screaming?" Well, you could say, lack of talent, call that music, repetitive, blah blah etc, and on the one hand you might be right, but on the other hand, it's functional music. It's functional to the specific situation of being bombed out of your gourd on ecstasy in a 1990's European nightclub. That's a situation not particularly given to reverence for sonata form, peaks and troughs, verse chorus verse, etc, 'cause it's all about the one continuous horizontal WHOOOSHHH!!! I personally find that kind of thing worthy of study. If other people don't, I can quite easily see why they don't. LOL.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T22:29:31Z Highland Fleet Lute Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Nalin & Kane Remix) - [ Link ] - Awesome track Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Paul Oakenfold mix) - [ Link ] - Love it I don't tend to like 'em re-heated. LOL. Bizarre socio-musical artefact: Jones & Stephenson - The First Rebirth. BONZAÏ Live Wattrelos 1994....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T22:29:31Z
Highland Fleet Lute Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Nalin & Kane Remix) - [ Link ] - Awesome track Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Paul Oakenfold mix) - [ Link ] - Love it I don't tend to like 'em re-heated. LOL. Bizarre socio-musical artefact: Jones & Stephenson - The First Rebirth. BONZAÏ Live Wattrelos 1994....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T22:55:35Z Highland Fleet Lute "AABA bereft". My place of work is right next door to St Magnus The Martyr on Lower Thames Street. This is what I hear every time I slip outside for a cigarette....[ Link ] "No dynamics, or melodic line needed."
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-06T22:55:35Z
Highland Fleet Lute "AABA bereft". My place of work is right next door to St Magnus The Martyr on Lower Thames Street. This is what I hear every time I slip outside for a cigarette....[ Link ] "No dynamics, or melodic line needed."
Eventide · 2019-09-07T01:04:37Z Highland Fleet Lute There's no such thing as 'functional music'. If a person is so bombed that all he wants or needs to perceive is this techno-crap noise, he's basically diminished himself to subhuman status. He's as much as announcing to the universe that he no longer needs sound to evoke anything meaningful. He doesn't need a story, he wants the antithesis of a story. He wants to be dulled out. As a human being, he's committed a sort of self-euthanization, making himself as featureless and uninspired as the stuff he's listening to. I really think that's the attraction of this. Life is hard, so take some drugs, listen to crap, and escape. No human experience = no human pain. Functional music, if it were to exist, would be that produced by a machine as a side-effect of its function, but machines can't do anything musical. There's no story an engine or a washing machine can tell just by virtue of providing its function. When I was in high school and college, John Cage was a big deal. Noise elevated to music just by virtue of some high-flown theories, but nothing created that had anything to say. Music tells a story. It evokes. It's art. The interactions and development of melody, harmony, dynamics, pitch, and rhythm create something that is greater than the sum of the parts. If that isn't happening, it isn't music, and if it isn't music, it dehumanizes. Full stop.
Eventide · 2019-09-07T01:04:37Z
Highland Fleet Lute There's no such thing as 'functional music'. If a person is so bombed that all he wants or needs to perceive is this techno-crap noise, he's basically diminished himself to subhuman status. He's as much as announcing to the universe that he no longer needs sound to evoke anything meaningful. He doesn't need a story, he wants the antithesis of a story. He wants to be dulled out. As a human being, he's committed a sort of self-euthanization, making himself as featureless and uninspired as the stuff he's listening to. I really think that's the attraction of this. Life is hard, so take some drugs, listen to crap, and escape. No human experience = no human pain. Functional music, if it were to exist, would be that produced by a machine as a side-effect of its function, but machines can't do anything musical. There's no story an engine or a washing machine can tell just by virtue of providing its function. When I was in high school and college, John Cage was a big deal. Noise elevated to music just by virtue of some high-flown theories, but nothing created that had anything to say. Music tells a story. It evokes. It's art. The interactions and development of melody, harmony, dynamics, pitch, and rhythm create something that is greater than the sum of the parts. If that isn't happening, it isn't music, and if it isn't music, it dehumanizes. Full stop.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T05:11:20Z lsjarvi Ooh, lsjarvi's having an automaton-like sh*t-fit. What did I just say to you? "I personally find that kind of thing worthy of study. If other people don't, I can quite easily see why they don't." "He wants to be dulled out. As a human being, he's committed a sort of self-euthanization, making himself as featureless and uninspired as the stuff he's listening to." That's not really an accurate observation. That whole rave/MDMA scene was more about having all the corks popped out of your system by artificial means, which is not necessarily advisable, but is more or less the opposite to being artificially "dulled out". "Life is hard, so take some drugs, listen to crap, and escape." Oh, I don't really do any of that kind of thing. The over-consumption of absinthe (which is also not necessarily advisable) during La Belle Époque, produced Edgar Degas, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Vincent Van Gogh, Arthur Rimbaud, Charles Baudelaire and Erik Satie. Some people find that kind of thing worthy of study, some people don't. The over-consumption of Jamaican ganja (which is also not necessarily advisable) produced King Tubby, Lee Perry, Bob Marley, Big Youth, U. Roy, I. Roy, Prince Far I, etc. Some people find that kind of thing worthy of study, some people don't. etc.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T05:11:20Z
lsjarvi Ooh, lsjarvi's having an automaton-like sh*t-fit. What did I just say to you? "I personally find that kind of thing worthy of study. If other people don't, I can quite easily see why they don't." "He wants to be dulled out. As a human being, he's committed a sort of self-euthanization, making himself as featureless and uninspired as the stuff he's listening to." That's not really an accurate observation. That whole rave/MDMA scene was more about having all the corks popped out of your system by artificial means, which is not necessarily advisable, but is more or less the opposite to being artificially "dulled out". "Life is hard, so take some drugs, listen to crap, and escape." Oh, I don't really do any of that kind of thing. The over-consumption of absinthe (which is also not necessarily advisable) during La Belle Époque, produced Edgar Degas, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Vincent Van Gogh, Arthur Rimbaud, Charles Baudelaire and Erik Satie. Some people find that kind of thing worthy of study, some people don't. The over-consumption of Jamaican ganja (which is also not necessarily advisable) produced King Tubby, Lee Perry, Bob Marley, Big Youth, U. Roy, I. Roy, Prince Far I, etc. Some people find that kind of thing worthy of study, some people don't. etc.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T11:53:15Z Highland Fleet Lute "more about having all the corks popped out of your system" ... that's a pretty good assessment The music was the chariot, the pills, the club, the people and the DJ were the reigns ... the mind was on holiday I had chronic back problems from my late teens to mid 30s ... a couple of years of having my corks popped resolved things
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T11:53:15Z
Highland Fleet Lute "more about having all the corks popped out of your system" ... that's a pretty good assessment The music was the chariot, the pills, the club, the people and the DJ were the reigns ... the mind was on holiday I had chronic back problems from my late teens to mid 30s ... a couple of years of having my corks popped resolved things
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T12:31:06Z lsjarvi Most genres of music sounds like crap noise to people who do not listen it - I can assure you there has been some brilliant sounds in trance, rave, techno, drum and base etc. - It's the sounds that I need, not the story "Functional" music ... isn't that most music that is created today, whether for clubbing or an organisation's anthem I think you are overlooking the historical use of music around the world The Drummers of Burundi - [ Link ] Traditional African Drum Music - [ Link ] Tabla duet - [ Link ] Mongolian Throat Singing - [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T12:31:06Z
lsjarvi Most genres of music sounds like crap noise to people who do not listen it - I can assure you there has been some brilliant sounds in trance, rave, techno, drum and base etc. - It's the sounds that I need, not the story "Functional" music ... isn't that most music that is created today, whether for clubbing or an organisation's anthem I think you are overlooking the historical use of music around the world The Drummers of Burundi - [ Link ] Traditional African Drum Music - [ Link ] Tabla duet - [ Link ] Mongolian Throat Singing - [ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:33:36Z HashAttack2 Given the amount of chemicals people were consuming during that whole period, the casualty rate was pretty low, I think. Either that or it's hidden, or might-come-back-to-haunt-you-later, or whatever. I think it's interesting how the death of Leah Betts tied in with The Brink's-Mat Robbery, The 80's/90's Loadsa Money thing and Kenneth Noye....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:33:36Z
HashAttack2 Given the amount of chemicals people were consuming during that whole period, the casualty rate was pretty low, I think. Either that or it's hidden, or might-come-back-to-haunt-you-later, or whatever. I think it's interesting how the death of Leah Betts tied in with The Brink's-Mat Robbery, The 80's/90's Loadsa Money thing and Kenneth Noye....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:40:36Z lsjarvi "Functional" music ... isn't that most music that is created today, whether for clubbing or an organisation's anthem Yeah. That's why I brought bell-ringing into the picture. As for myself, I've always been the kind of guy to listen to 1950's Greek Rebetika on the Monday, ancient Wilhelm Furtwängler recordings of Beethoven on the Tuesday, Goldie & The Gingerbreads on the Wednesday, Iggy & The Stooges on the Thursday, Aqua or whoever on the Friday, etc.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:40:36Z
lsjarvi "Functional" music ... isn't that most music that is created today, whether for clubbing or an organisation's anthem Yeah. That's why I brought bell-ringing into the picture. As for myself, I've always been the kind of guy to listen to 1950's Greek Rebetika on the Monday, ancient Wilhelm Furtwängler recordings of Beethoven on the Tuesday, Goldie & The Gingerbreads on the Wednesday, Iggy & The Stooges on the Thursday, Aqua or whoever on the Friday, etc.
lsjarvi "Functional" music ... isn't that most music that is created today, whether for clubbing or an organisation's anthem
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T12:50:32Z Highland Fleet Lute I think it was statistically safer to go out clubbing and take pills than to have an early night and go to bed Leah Betts over-hydrated (drank approximately 7 litres of water in a 90-minute period) - it wasn't the pills that killed her I'll have to watch the video later but it must have been a considerable operation to manufacture and distribute a million pills a week
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T12:50:32Z
Highland Fleet Lute I think it was statistically safer to go out clubbing and take pills than to have an early night and go to bed Leah Betts over-hydrated (drank approximately 7 litres of water in a 90-minute period) - it wasn't the pills that killed her I'll have to watch the video later but it must have been a considerable operation to manufacture and distribute a million pills a week
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:58:21Z The Drummers of Burundi - [ Link ] Oh nice. That's going in me favourites box, right off. As quoted to lesser and greater effect by Malcolm McLaren, Adam and The Ants, and Bow Wow Wow, of course.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T12:58:21Z
The Drummers of Burundi - [ Link ] Oh nice. That's going in me favourites box, right off. As quoted to lesser and greater effect by Malcolm McLaren, Adam and The Ants, and Bow Wow Wow, of course.
The Drummers of Burundi - [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:13:58Z Highland Fleet Lute Malcolm Mclaren Presents Double Dutch - [ Link ] - still sounds great - genius!
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:13:58Z
Highland Fleet Lute Malcolm Mclaren Presents Double Dutch - [ Link ] - still sounds great - genius!
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:16:12Z HashAttack2 Bow Wow Wow c30 c60 c90 - [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:16:12Z
HashAttack2 Bow Wow Wow c30 c60 c90 - [ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T13:26:04Z HashAttack2 KA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNK A. LOL. That Dave Barbarossa guy was such a great drummer.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T13:26:04Z
HashAttack2 KA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNKA-LUNK A. LOL. That Dave Barbarossa guy was such a great drummer.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T13:33:27Z HashAttack2 Well yeah, but do you like scratchin'? LOL.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T13:33:27Z
HashAttack2 Well yeah, but do you like scratchin'? LOL.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:37:35Z Highland Fleet Lute I didn't know the name Dave Barbarossa .. Just checked him out, he was also in Fluke - [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T13:37:35Z
Highland Fleet Lute I didn't know the name Dave Barbarossa .. Just checked him out, he was also in Fluke - [ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T14:12:00Z HashAttack2 Yeah, and he was in the 'pre-Malcolm' Adam and The Ants. I'm not sure whether I'm 100% right about this, but one thing struck me when I was watching that Kenneth Noye documentary was, and this is something that I'd never really thought about, that it's highly likely during that period, someone pretty high up in the police must have been taking a huge cut of all that ecstasy money. I lived in Brixton through all that time, and there were massive amounts of ecstasy going into The Fridge, The Academy, The Vox, plus all those West End clubs like The Astoria, yet you never heard of anyone ever getting busted. Whereas, I'd go up to Northern Soul all-nighters on the weekend, and I would get stopped, coppers up my arse, the whole lot. It's also interesting in relation to the topic that we're neglecting somewhat, that the end of The Rave Scene was pretty much brought about by the introduction of The Criminal Justice Bill in reaction to a Spiral Tribe party.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T14:12:00Z
HashAttack2 Yeah, and he was in the 'pre-Malcolm' Adam and The Ants. I'm not sure whether I'm 100% right about this, but one thing struck me when I was watching that Kenneth Noye documentary was, and this is something that I'd never really thought about, that it's highly likely during that period, someone pretty high up in the police must have been taking a huge cut of all that ecstasy money. I lived in Brixton through all that time, and there were massive amounts of ecstasy going into The Fridge, The Academy, The Vox, plus all those West End clubs like The Astoria, yet you never heard of anyone ever getting busted. Whereas, I'd go up to Northern Soul all-nighters on the weekend, and I would get stopped, coppers up my arse, the whole lot. It's also interesting in relation to the topic that we're neglecting somewhat, that the end of The Rave Scene was pretty much brought about by the introduction of The Criminal Justice Bill in reaction to a Spiral Tribe party.
Eventide · 2019-09-07T14:12:17Z Highland Fleet Lute It is a fact that people with damaged vestibular systems either can't stand to have it stimulated (avoid quick head movements) or crave excessive movement (seek ways to maximize stimulation). They're both doing so for the same reason. Excessive, spinning head movement shuts down the vestibular system, and keeping the head stable achieves the same goal. This same principle, I think, can be applied to sound, only sound is a much 'higher' function in the range of perceptual experiences. It's much more tied to human soul qualities. Loud and over-stimulating sound that is not evocative of a human response dulls. It may be counter-intuitive, but it's true.
Eventide · 2019-09-07T14:12:17Z
Highland Fleet Lute It is a fact that people with damaged vestibular systems either can't stand to have it stimulated (avoid quick head movements) or crave excessive movement (seek ways to maximize stimulation). They're both doing so for the same reason. Excessive, spinning head movement shuts down the vestibular system, and keeping the head stable achieves the same goal. This same principle, I think, can be applied to sound, only sound is a much 'higher' function in the range of perceptual experiences. It's much more tied to human soul qualities. Loud and over-stimulating sound that is not evocative of a human response dulls. It may be counter-intuitive, but it's true.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T14:53:58Z lsjarvi "Loud and over-stimulating sound that is not evocative of a human response dulls." Oh really, vicar. So presumably, Ludwig Van Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix and whomever else have no place in your record collection. Or any musician that ever took drugs. Must be a pretty small record collection. "This same principle, I think, can be applied to sound, only sound is a much 'higher' function in the range of perceptual experiences. It's much more tied to human soul qualities." As I know from my cigarette breaks, church bells are pretty loud. According to me, a peal of bells coming out of an English church is designed to perform a similar function to Tibetan bowls, except in quick-fire, downward-spiralling, glissando fashion. This doesn't only have an effect on people, it has an effect on the Earth, and it has to be proper loud to do that....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-07T14:53:58Z
lsjarvi "Loud and over-stimulating sound that is not evocative of a human response dulls." Oh really, vicar. So presumably, Ludwig Van Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix and whomever else have no place in your record collection. Or any musician that ever took drugs. Must be a pretty small record collection. "This same principle, I think, can be applied to sound, only sound is a much 'higher' function in the range of perceptual experiences. It's much more tied to human soul qualities." As I know from my cigarette breaks, church bells are pretty loud. According to me, a peal of bells coming out of an English church is designed to perform a similar function to Tibetan bowls, except in quick-fire, downward-spiralling, glissando fashion. This doesn't only have an effect on people, it has an effect on the Earth, and it has to be proper loud to do that....[ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T19:36:39Z Highland Fleet Lute Castlemorton Common Festival - [ Link ] CJB - criminalized public "sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats" They also slipped this in - "Section 143, though not given much consideration, legalised anal sex between heterosexual couples" So anal sex good, dancing the beats bad Dreadzone - Fight the Power - [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-07T19:36:39Z
Highland Fleet Lute Castlemorton Common Festival - [ Link ] CJB - criminalized public "sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats" They also slipped this in - "Section 143, though not given much consideration, legalised anal sex between heterosexual couples" So anal sex good, dancing the beats bad Dreadzone - Fight the Power - [ Link ]
Joan · 2019-09-07T22:44:52Z Highland Fleet Lute That is an assumption on your part, yes there are suggestions that the ancients were using psychotropic substances...probably shamanic...they were initiated into the "other world". But on the whole, the vast majority of the population did not ingest such substances, it seems this has become a phenomena of the 20th, 21'st century where ordinary everyday people use such substances, some being children of the Hippy generation being lost in a permanent drug induced state of psychosis..thanks to certain government agencies.
Highland Fleet Lute That is an assumption on your part, yes there are suggestions that the ancients were using psychotropic substances...probably shamanic...they were initiated into the "other world". But on the whole, the vast majority of the population did not ingest such substances, it seems this has become a phenomena of the 20th, 21'st century where ordinary everyday people use such substances, some being children of the Hippy generation being lost in a permanent drug induced state of psychosis..thanks to certain government agencies.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T07:00:55Z Highland Fleet Lute That is an assumption on your part. What's an assumption on my part? The bit about the bells? That probably was a bit of an assumption. Maybe I should have said "it seems that way to me". Maybe you should have been a bit more specific about what was an assumption on my part so we're not talking at cross purposes. "But on the whole, the vast majority of the population did not ingest such substances, it seems this has become a phenomena of the 20th, 21'st century where ordinary everyday people use such substances, some being children of the Hippy generation being lost in a permanent drug induced state of psychosis..thanks to certain government agencies." I haven't seen it, but some guy at work was telling me there's a new BBC documentary about the rave scene, where they've decided to 'improve' on history by leaving out all references to MDMA. How responsible of them. As per MDMA, I'm not condoning any of that, just explaining what went down. As per 'government agencies', well, if you mean The Police, I'd be very careful about joining soft dots with hard lines as per gangsters, Kenneth Noye, The Freemasons, the Police, etc, but there's a lot of "it seems that way to me" in there. One enduring rumour is that the first MDMA dump came c/o a bunch of prankster Sannyassins.... Ecstasy island: This is the story of how MDMA reached the UK in 1988....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T07:00:55Z
Highland Fleet Lute That is an assumption on your part. What's an assumption on my part? The bit about the bells? That probably was a bit of an assumption. Maybe I should have said "it seems that way to me". Maybe you should have been a bit more specific about what was an assumption on my part so we're not talking at cross purposes. "But on the whole, the vast majority of the population did not ingest such substances, it seems this has become a phenomena of the 20th, 21'st century where ordinary everyday people use such substances, some being children of the Hippy generation being lost in a permanent drug induced state of psychosis..thanks to certain government agencies." I haven't seen it, but some guy at work was telling me there's a new BBC documentary about the rave scene, where they've decided to 'improve' on history by leaving out all references to MDMA. How responsible of them. As per MDMA, I'm not condoning any of that, just explaining what went down. As per 'government agencies', well, if you mean The Police, I'd be very careful about joining soft dots with hard lines as per gangsters, Kenneth Noye, The Freemasons, the Police, etc, but there's a lot of "it seems that way to me" in there. One enduring rumour is that the first MDMA dump came c/o a bunch of prankster Sannyassins.... Ecstasy island: This is the story of how MDMA reached the UK in 1988....[ Link ]
Highland Fleet Lute That is an assumption on your part.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T07:48:23Z HashAttack2 I always have a mental association of the early period of that scene with crop circles. I used to know this couple Mike and Lee (GTO + Tricky Disco) who used to go 'crop circle hunting'. I knew them before and after MDMA (nearly everyone I knew on the London club scene I sort of knew 'before and after MDMA'). I'd never heard of crop circles before then.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T07:48:23Z
HashAttack2 I always have a mental association of the early period of that scene with crop circles. I used to know this couple Mike and Lee (GTO + Tricky Disco) who used to go 'crop circle hunting'. I knew them before and after MDMA (nearly everyone I knew on the London club scene I sort of knew 'before and after MDMA'). I'd never heard of crop circles before then.
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T11:15:32Z Highland Fleet Lute Alexander Shulgin - the father of MDMA - [ Link ] "Shulgin obtained a DEA Schedule I license for an analytical laboratory, which allowed him to synthesize and possess any otherwise illicit drug" .. that's handy! The Great Alexander Shulgin Talks About MDMA-(Ecstasy) - [ Link ] It's a fine line between a drug that doctors and authorities promote and a drug that they abhor and want to criminalise
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T11:15:32Z
Highland Fleet Lute Alexander Shulgin - the father of MDMA - [ Link ] "Shulgin obtained a DEA Schedule I license for an analytical laboratory, which allowed him to synthesize and possess any otherwise illicit drug" .. that's handy! The Great Alexander Shulgin Talks About MDMA-(Ecstasy) - [ Link ] It's a fine line between a drug that doctors and authorities promote and a drug that they abhor and want to criminalise
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T11:29:40Z Joan ordinarily people didn't have a life prior to the 20th century - most lived in extreme poverty, effectively as slaves, were illiterate and were not free to be themselves No drugs in the 18th century? In the late 18th century, the British East India Company or EIC, contravening Chinese laws, began smuggling Indian opium to China through various means, and became the leading suppliers by 1773. By 1787, the Company was illegally sending 4,000 chests of opium to China a year, each chest weighing 170 lbs or 77 kilos. By 1828, opium accounted for 16% of the EIC's total revenue [ Link ]
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T11:29:40Z
Joan ordinarily people didn't have a life prior to the 20th century - most lived in extreme poverty, effectively as slaves, were illiterate and were not free to be themselves No drugs in the 18th century? In the late 18th century, the British East India Company or EIC, contravening Chinese laws, began smuggling Indian opium to China through various means, and became the leading suppliers by 1773. By 1787, the Company was illegally sending 4,000 chests of opium to China a year, each chest weighing 170 lbs or 77 kilos. By 1828, opium accounted for 16% of the EIC's total revenue [ Link ]
In the late 18th century, the British East India Company or EIC, contravening Chinese laws, began smuggling Indian opium to China through various means, and became the leading suppliers by 1773. By 1787, the Company was illegally sending 4,000 chests of opium to China a year, each chest weighing 170 lbs or 77 kilos. By 1828, opium accounted for 16% of the EIC's total revenue
Eventide · 2019-09-08T14:40:34Z Highland Fleet Lute That is an amazingly incoherent bit of blather coming from you. Hitting close to home, am I?
Eventide · 2019-09-08T14:40:34Z
Highland Fleet Lute That is an amazingly incoherent bit of blather coming from you. Hitting close to home, am I?
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T16:18:19Z Highland Fleet Lute I ended up watching this one too - Brinks Mat gold robbery documentary (1985) - [ Link ] At 10:30 they talk about converting 24 ct gold into jeweler's gold and the company that they use - Scadlynn The amount of cash going in an out of the local, provincial, Barclays bank is unbelievable
HashAttack2 · 2019-09-08T16:18:19Z
Highland Fleet Lute I ended up watching this one too - Brinks Mat gold robbery documentary (1985) - [ Link ] At 10:30 they talk about converting 24 ct gold into jeweler's gold and the company that they use - Scadlynn The amount of cash going in an out of the local, provincial, Barclays bank is unbelievable
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T18:31:55Z lsjarvi If you're not specific about what you consider to be "an amazingly incoherent bit of blather", chances are I'll just assume you're going nyah nyah nyah nyah for no particularly fruitful reason. I mean, who do you think cares if you don't like 1990's rave-y music? Only you, most likely. "The vestibular system, in most mammals, is the sensory system that provides the leading contribution to the sense of balance and spatial orientation for the purpose of coordinating movement with balance." I can't speak for HashAttack2, but mine's all right, Jack.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T18:31:55Z
lsjarvi If you're not specific about what you consider to be "an amazingly incoherent bit of blather", chances are I'll just assume you're going nyah nyah nyah nyah for no particularly fruitful reason. I mean, who do you think cares if you don't like 1990's rave-y music? Only you, most likely. "The vestibular system, in most mammals, is the sensory system that provides the leading contribution to the sense of balance and spatial orientation for the purpose of coordinating movement with balance." I can't speak for HashAttack2, but mine's all right, Jack.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T19:51:09Z It's a fine line between a drug that doctors and authorities promote and a drug that they abhor and want to criminalise I only took MDMA once. For research purpose only. I just gushed for about 48 hours solid. LOL. It would probably be quite therapeutic for uptight people to take it a couple o' three times. That whole Margaret Thatcher period was pretty uptight. I'm more interested in music really. I was waiting for lsjarvi to get around to telling us what 'proper music' we should all be listening to. I don't want to make the mistake of assuming he's too uptight to tell us.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-08T19:51:09Z
It's a fine line between a drug that doctors and authorities promote and a drug that they abhor and want to criminalise I only took MDMA once. For research purpose only. I just gushed for about 48 hours solid. LOL. It would probably be quite therapeutic for uptight people to take it a couple o' three times. That whole Margaret Thatcher period was pretty uptight. I'm more interested in music really. I was waiting for lsjarvi to get around to telling us what 'proper music' we should all be listening to. I don't want to make the mistake of assuming he's too uptight to tell us.
It's a fine line between a drug that doctors and authorities promote and a drug that they abhor and want to criminalise
Eventide · 2019-09-08T23:34:07Z Highland Fleet Lute Far be it from me. Live and learn.
Eventide · 2019-09-08T23:34:07Z
Highland Fleet Lute Far be it from me. Live and learn.
Highland Fleet Lute · 2019-09-09T06:51:33Z lsjarvi "Far be it from me. Live and learn." No, go ahead. I'm all ears. If you remember correctly, it was you who made such a suffering stink about those records, about the people who made those records and about people who enjoy those records. So, after bursting into the room with your arms swinging about all over the place and scattering curses around like so much bad seed, surely it's only right and proper that you give us the benefit of your, er, quite obviously superior knowledge in these matters. This kind of thing happens frequently on SOTT. Someone or other (Dus7, Good Optics, whomever else) charges onto what they perceive as a battlefield with all guns a-blazing on what they also perceive to be a Great White Horse, but as soon as you point out to them they're actually riding My Litttle Pony and they're not wearing any trouser